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Wird nur ein Zwischenstop werden, 2 Naechte, dann fuer 1 Nacht nach Tuy Hoa. Mich interessieren die Cham Tuerme mehr als die Russinnen. Ich will eigentlich nur ein paar Orte kurz ausschecken und habe dann fuer den Sommer mehr Zeit. Jetzt sind's nur 2 Wochen Vietnam und dann auf in die PHILS mit TH im Anschluss bevor es in die Kaelte geht.

Von Tuy Hoa kann man fuer etwa 35 USD inkl. 20 Kg Gepaeck nach Hanoi fliegen morgens um 8.45. Na Thrang - HAN waere weit mehr als das Doppelte. Von daher einen Cham Turm mehr im Programm.

Wird nur ein Zwischenstop werden, 2 Naechte, dann fuer 1 Nacht nach Tuy Hoa. Mich interessieren die Cham Tuerme mehr als die Russinnen. Ich will eigentlich nur ein paar Orte kurz ausschecken und habe dann fuer den Sommer mehr Zeit. Jetzt sind's nur 2 Wochen Vietnam und dann auf in die PHILS mit TH im Anschluss bevor es in die Kaelte geht.

Von Tuy Hoa kann man fuer etwa 35 USD inkl. 20 Kg Gepaeck nach Hanoi fliegen morgens um 8.45. Na Thrang - HAN waere weit mehr als das Doppelte. Von daher einen Cham Turm mehr im Programm.
 
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Bin im Februar in Kambodscha und auch auf den Inseln vor S.V. Danach nach P.P. Was ist empfehlenswerter: mit dem Bus nach P.P. oder für 100 Euro pro Person mi dem Flieger?
 
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Paramount angkor oder so ähnlich bin ich immer gerne gefahren. Is aber eig wurscht, vip bus halt.
Ins nächste Reisebüro in Shv und wo die Zeiten passen den nimmst.
 
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Ibis setzt leider nur einen Van ein. Im Zweifelsfalle lieber einen richtigen Bus, z.B. Capitol. Dauert am Ende etwa 1 Std. mehr, weil die Fahrer weniger riskante Ueberholversuche hinlegen. Wenn's schief laeuft hat im Bus, Sitz in der Mitte, bessere Chancen gegen die tausende LKWs (keine Uebertreibung).

Ich wuerde nach Angkor einen Flug nach Hanoi und dann in Richtung Halong abhauen. Oder die Kueste weiter suedlich. Aber Nha Trang meiden. Vielleicht auch Phu Quoc. Einfach ueber die Grenze nach Ha Tien und sofort auf's Boot. Besseres Essen und vermutlich auch wesentlich freundlicher fuer's Budget. Wenn Meer, dann mache ich mich aus PP nach Vietnam auf. Den Mist in Kambodscha tue ich mir nicht an.


Februar: Wegen dem chinesischen Neujahrsfest aufpassen! Wenn die Reise in den Zeitraum faellt wuerde ich einen grossen Bogen um Angkor und die Inseln machen.
 

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Wann ist denn das Chinesische Neujahrsfest?

Wir sind vom 18.2. bis 8. 3. in Kambodscha unterwegs:

18. - 24.2. Siem Reap und Battambang
24. - 26.2. Sihanoukville
26. - 4.3. Koh Rong Samloem und Koh Rong
4. - 5.3. Sihanoukville
5. - 8.3. Phnom Penh
 
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Hab mal bei Tante google gefragt. Also 5. Feb. ist Neujahr, Dienstag. Die Woche wird daher wohl hinueber sein.

HotmannI: 24-26.2 und 4.-5.3. wuerde ich tunlichst streichen. Am besten vom Bus oder mit der Limo direkt zum Boot. Drei Tage Phnom Penh ist auch recht grosszuegig. Vielleicht klappt ja die Muellabfuhr bis dahin wieder. Diese Woche war noch Gestank pur.

Ich empfehle (weisse Kuechenchefmuetze auf dem Haupt):
1 Nacht Sisophon und ein Ausflug nach Bantey Chmar noerdlich der Stadt. Lohnt sich unbedingt.

2 Naechte in Battambang und die Tour durch die Huetten. Kleinere Tempel aber alles ganz nett. Und essen tut man hier. Nudelsuppe vom feinsten. Am besten 2-3x pro Tag. Kein Witz
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2 Naechte PP. Dh. 1 Tag Sightseeing.
Futtern:
1) Ecke St. 105/St.198
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Du wirst wahrscheinlich laufen gehen, aber in Sachen Pho Bo sehr gut. So morgens 9-11 Uhr. Nachmittags 15-17 Uhr. besser morgens

2) Der fruehe Vogel faengt den Wurm. In Sachen einfache Dimsum, Wontonsueppchen, Kaffee dazu 100 quasselnde chinesische Geschaeftsleute:
CDG/Ecke 107 (die Ecke hin zum Zentralmarkt)
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3) Chinesische Nudelsuppe mit frischen handgemachten Nudeln. Die Dumpling sind auch gut.
Ecke 111/182
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Leider haben die Mainlandchinesen den Laden entdeckt, daher auch der Googleeintrag. Wenn ich die Kerle erwische wird kastriert. Strafe muss seiin.

SIEM REAP: Mach doch einen Ausflug nach Preah Vehar mit Uebernachtung in Sra EM. Auf dem Rueckweg noch ein Stop in Koh Ker (Pyramide) und Bangmelea.

Kurzum: SHV nur Transit, so wie frueher Helmstedt-Berlin und kein Stop im Intershop.
PP. Battambang nach PP. Ausschlafen, 1 Tag Touri, Schlafen und zur Insel.

Alles andere ist Mist. Es sei denn, Du hast ein ganz tolles Hotel und willst nicht nach draussen.

Mein Futterempfehlungen sind alles etwas ueber Streetfood (willste in Kambo auch nicht wirklich) und unterhalb Farangfutter. Qualitaet in allen Laeden gut und, was anscheinend nun immer wichtiger wird, authentisch. Zum Vietnamesen gehe ich schon immer 10+ (?) Jahre. Der Dimsumladen immer dann, wenn ich frueh aufstehe und keine Angst vor der alten Besitzerin habe. Der Nudelladen ist einfach nur gut und null problemo.

In SHV kannst Du gute Pizza nahe am Pier, direkt am Golden Lions Circle, by Olive Olive bekommen. Die Lammhaxen sind auch sehr gut. Meine anderen Futterkrippen sind alle im Eimer.
 

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Ich ergaenze noch kurz den Bericht eines alten SHV-Bewohners, der Ende Dez. mal wieder im Dorf war. dazu gibt's reichlich ueber Drogendealer, nun mit Rueckflugticket zur chinesischen Organfarm, besoffene Fahrer, kidnapping, etc etc


More Chinese Takeover in Sihanoukville - Page 101 - Cambodia Expats Online: Forum | News | Information | Blog

i just spend a week down there myself, drove down from Phnom Penh on my bike via Kampot

Pros.
was great seeing my friends again
was fun to see the ocean again

Cons.
Guesthouse didnt have any water for practically the whole of my stay
some Bars on Victory Hill didnt have any water for practically the whole of my stay
the dirt, so much dirt, id pop to the shop or restaurant on my bike and id be black by the time i got there, nearly impossible to ride your moto without the visor down
the traffic, so much traffic, day and night, the roads are chocka block of SUVs and Trucks and Minivans etc
the Rain, So much rain... its nearly bloody January and still raining every day
roads are fucked, full of potholes and damage from all the flooding
samudera supermarket still doesnt have the ability to put prices on things
accommodation stupidly overpriced now
all signs mainly in Chinese now with small khmer lettering


the amount of Chinese brothels in town now is crazy
 
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@thaiguy: Thanks für die tollen Tipps!

Die 2 bzw. 1 Nacht in SHV sind als "Transfer"Tage vorgesehen.....ausserdem auch ausserhalb in einerm kleinen Frühstücksresort, das von einem Deutschen geführt wird....also weit weg vom Chinesen-Chaos...
 

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....wir sind in SHV übrigens ausserhalb im Spayhiti....

.....war da schon jemand?
 

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Ein gesundes neues Jahr 2019 aber leider ist Sihanoukville verloren und deshalb nächste Woche ein paar Tage PNH + Kampot.

Noch etwas Information über Si...
Die ZDF Doku kann ich auch wärmstens empfehlen. Im ersten Teil wird auch über SV berichtet. Ich war 2015 dort und kann es in der Doku nicht wiedererkennen.
 
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Ich war auch ein wenig irritiert, wie sich die Chinesen ins Ausland einkaufen. Sehr gute Doku. Sie erweitern ganz langsam wie Heuschrecken ihr Land. Kambodschaner fühlen sich wohl aktuell recht fremd wegen der ganzen Massen die dort einfallen. Auch Thailand sollte hier aufpassen und sich nicht so abhängig machen lassen.
 
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Also die Backpacker und Kambodschaner, d.h. das Team von meinem Stammreisebuero in PP - und die kennen sich nun wirklich 1a aus - machen die grosse Biege um das Kaff. Direkt auf's Boot und danach schnell wieder weg.

Ausserhalb? Gibt's nicht mehr. Bis Otres ist Baustelle. Strassen kaputt. Alle Infos, die aeltere als 3 Monate sind, kann man in der Pfeife rauchen.

Es gibt Transfers von PP da haust Du morgens aus PP ab und bist am Nachmittag im Resort auf der Insel. Ich wuerde Dir dies dringenst empfehlen. Alternative: Lufmattraze, Kopfkissen mitnehmen und mit Balkon buchen. Es gibt keine Hundehuetten in Kambodscha. Wenn Deine Frau Dich aus dem Zimmer wirft, kannst dann immer noch auf dem Balkon schlafen (falls es nicht regnet).
 

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Das kam gerade online. Mich hat das Foto vom Lions Circle geschockt. Eine riesen Baustelle. Vieles in dem Bericht faellt uns Farangs ja nicht auf. Alles in englischer Uebersetzung. Google hilft, falls noetig.

Sihanoukville, seen through the eyes of a Chinese blogger:
Casinos, brothels, scams, Sihanoukville, which was broken by the Chinese
Yesterday 14:43
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I have been to Sihanoukville Port in Cambodia for ten days. I have traveled all over the city, and I have heard and felt a lot. In this extraterrestrial place of the Chinese, crazy dramas about gambling, sex trade, killing, etc. are being performed every day. Reminiscent of the preface to Dickens's A Tale of Two Cities -
These are the best of times and the worst of times;
People are going straight to heaven, people are falling to hell.
Crazy Chinatown in Southeast Asia
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The port of Sihanouk, named after the Prince of Cambodia, was originally a quiet and beautiful port city. Beach waves, leisure life and ultra-low consumption have attracted global visitors. Nowadays, the city is no longer a hotspot. Instead, it is a physical casino opened by the Chinese, a network betting base, a clubhouse brothel, a telecom fraud center, and a Shaxian snack in the city.
Walking on the streets of Sihanouk, you will have a strong illusion of not leaving the country. The shops opened by the Chinese are located in every street of the main city, and the Chinese people are everywhere.
Shaxian snacks, Lanzhou noodles, net fish net coffee, Taikang clinic, Rujia hotel, good and many supermarkets, Sichuan flavoring wholesale, Dinghong club, heaven and earth... everything that involves Chinese food, clothing and accommodation is available.
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▲Shaxian snacks all over the city
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▲Chinese clinic
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▲ clubhouse
Sihanouk even appeared on the online shopping platform of “Westport”. Local shoppers also hang out simple translated Chinese signboards to attract Chinese customers.
According to incomplete statistics, there are currently about 120,000 Chinese in Sihanoukville, which is equivalent to the number of Cambodian natives. The local Cambodian metropolis has some simple Chinese, and the number of students who specialize in learning Chinese is far more than learning English. Today, Sihanouk is more like a Chinese city than a Cambodian.
Everything is related to gambling
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▲Chinese casino under construction
The Chinese who were keen on overhauling the big building turned the whole city into a large construction site, and the dust generated by the construction gave Sihanouk a prosperous coat. Under the surface, it is the desire and sin that is enough to change the soul of the city.
All the construction sites are busy with one thing - the casino and the hotel are coming. It is not as large as Sihanouk, the size of a typical county in the country. There are more than 30 Chinese casinos that have already opened, and about 70 casinos are under construction.

In the bustling area of the city, "Double Lions", the glamorous Chinese casino is the most dazzling building, in stark contrast to the local ruined streets. These casinos only accept Chinese people, and most of them come from China. Sihanouk is also the largest overseas city where Chinese people open casinos, far exceeding the Golden Triangle and Burma. The Chinese casino is in Westport, like a candle filled with cakes.
In order to attract customers, some casinos use a “signing” model – even if you don’t have the money, the casino can let you gamble, and the amount of money can range from $2,000 to $5,000. The size of the individual casinos in Westport is not large, but the number is large. I have gone to five in total and are usually packed in the evening.
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▲China Casino in downtown Sihanoukville
There is no doubt that Sihanouk is becoming an overseas gambling center for Chinese people. By the time the casinos under construction are all completed, this extraterrestrial place will be even more spectacular.
Spinach dog with telecommunications scam carnival base
However, compared to the larger online gaming industry, casinos can only be seen. Thanks to a few readers who are far away from the distance, they are engaged in online gambling in Sihanoukville, also known as spinach. I was able to understand the real situation of this business.
Unlike physical casinos, online spinach gambles in the form of a network and wirelessly places actual gambling venues. The operator (banker) builds a gaming website, recruits a large number of customer service, finds customers through online promotion, and conducts gambling.
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On the first day of the Westport, one of my readers took me to visit his spinach base (currently he has left). The base is similar to an office building. There are no signboards. There are rows of computers in the room. At first glance, it looks like an Internet cafe 10 years ago or a network company in the startup stage. In each room, hundreds of extensions sit in front of the computer, contact customers via WeChat, and guide customers to bet.
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▲I have the casino and gaming base marked on the map.
The promotion staff work from 12 noon to 24 pm every day. The dormitory is a simple board room, only one or two days off a month. A person in charge of the base of my readers said in a chat with me that there are about 5,000 Chinese people in the base who are engaged in the online gaming industry and belong to the larger scale of the Xigang gaming base. Throughout Westport, there are dozens of online gaming bases.
More than 80% of the hundreds of thousands of Chinese in Westport are engaged in online gambling. The industry is commonly known as spinach dogs. Spinach dogs are roughly divided into three types of people. They can't find any legitimate jobs in China. They owe gambling debts, and they don't have professional skills and think that domestic wages are low.
Spinach dogs constitute the main force of the Chinese people in Westport, but if they talk about rivers and lakes, they will not be ranked first. At the notorious "New Peak" in Westport, some Chinese are working hard to run telecom fraud. In October this year, the Chinese police dispatched hundreds of special police officers to fly to Westport to arrest relevant employees.
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Chinese people make money, local people eat soil
Sihanouk has gathered a large number of spinach dogs, telecom scam dogs, gambling dogs, businessmen and tourists, which naturally generate a lot of consumer demand. On the surface, the arrival of hundreds of thousands of Chinese people should stimulate local consumption and promote economic development. But in fact, most Cambodian locals have not benefited from it.
A wide variety of domestic restaurants have poured in, and there are more than 20 snacks in the city of Guangsha County. There are almost no Chinese people eating local food. Chinese supermarkets can be seen everywhere, and there are few Chinese people in local shops. There are many hotels in China, and there are no Chinese people living in local hotels.
In addition to housing leasing and raw material purchases, as well as sporadic travel services, the Chinese in Westport have hardly traded with Cambodians. Chinese money is turning around in the pockets of the Chinese, forming a closed loop. At the same time, the arrival of the Chinese has destroyed the original consumer market in Westport, the most obvious of which is the decline of the tourism economy.
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▲ Native Chinese Cambodian Chinese
When I was in the fishing village of Xigang, I met a Chinese from Cambodia. He is 75 years old this year and has spent a lifetime in Westport. He told me that before the Chinese came, Sihanouk was a quiet and beautiful tourist destination. Every year, a large number of European, American, Japanese and Korean tourists came to vacation. Nowadays, Westport has become a big construction site, not only dusty and noisy. Coupled with the casino and the Chinese elements everywhere, the number of Western tourists has dropped sharply.
According to the data of the first nine months of this year, in Europe and the United States, France’s visitors to Westport were 2,341,17, down 13.94% year-on-year. In Asia, Thai tourists have fallen sharply by 38.05%.
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▲ Westport’s European and American tourists are greatly reducing
This is a big blow for the locals, because unlike the Chinese closed-loop consumption, the consumption of European and American tourists directly benefits Cambodian locals. European and American tourists in Westport's clothing, food and shelter, almost all directly from the locals to buy, and the Chinese people's consumption is just the opposite, almost exclusively from Chinese businessmen.
More seriously, the influx of hot money from China, the imbalance between supply and demand, has given rise to local prices. At present, the price of Sihanoukville (local price) has surpassed the capital of Phnom Penh, especially housing rents soared, while the income of local residents in Westport still stays around $200 a month.
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The construction of hundreds of thousands of Chinese people in Westport has also affected the mood of local people to some extent.
Imagine, assuming that your country's rural towns are originally quiet and beautiful, there are many foreigners coming to travel every year. Suddenly somehow, hundreds of thousands of Koreans or Japanese people are pouring in, building casinos in your city, doing online gambling, opening brothels, they have raised prices and reduced your income, and you have to look down on you from time to time. Look like that. What do you think?

Arrogant anti-China organization VS silent Chinese
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▲Chinese people who were chopped by anti-China organizations. The picture comes from the public number "Angkor today"
On the one hand, more and more Chinese people are pouring in, and on the other hand, local Chinese expatriation tends to be serious. In this context, anti-China organizations have finally emerged. The local youth motorcycles have a knife, and the number of Chinese people has been slashed and killed in a row in a month or two.
At the height of the slashing incident, the Chinese may be cut at any time on the street, and even those who you know will be chopped. At that time, in the Westport network community and various Chinese WeChat groups, the Chinese were filled with indignation and they called for the organization of thousands of people to march and pressure the Cambodian government. However, no one discussed the details of when, where, how to march, and no one is willing to stand up and take the lead.
Within a few days, the group advertised and advertised. The promotion also started to push the spinach website link. The customer service of the clubhouse launched a photo of the technician. No one talked about the slaying event, let alone the demonstration. Why do hundreds of thousands of Chinese people make extraordinary money in Sihanouk, but when the knife is on the neck of the compatriots, it will only bluff?
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▲The compatriots who were interviewed (the data line was lost, the video could not be exported)
I don't think this can be simply summed up by the "Chinese people scattered sand". I interviewed two of the chopped compatriots. One of the compatriots had a knife in the back and almost died. When I asked the two compatriots how to look at the local anti-China organization, they were angry, they were eager to catch the murderer, but at the same time the identity of the gambling practitioners made them look less confident.
They even did not choose to call the police or contact the Chinese Embassy after being chopped. Of the more than 30 compatriots who were chopped in the early days, only two chose the police and contacted the embassy.
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▲Chinese investors are inspecting Sihanouk
"Not so confident" is a common sentiment in the Westport Chinese community. The Chinese know that what they are doing in Xigang is not a glorious activity. It is also clear that the huge wave of investment and construction has not materially benefited local people.

In addition, Chinese investors are swaying billions of dollars in Westport, but they are not willing to make a small amount of money to do folk charity. In contrast, Japan and South Korea, while using Cambodia's cheap labor and opening up factories to pollute the environment, have opened a large number of private charitable organizations, where they have built a convenient bridge and built a school there, which has won the hearts of the local people.
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▲The dollar is the main currency of Cambodia
Regarding what the Chinese are doing in Xigang, a compatriot who claims to be well-mixed and has a salary of 2 million a year is frank: "To put it bluntly, the Chinese are a piece of Cambodian land in the Westport Circle, earning Chinese money, and local people. There is no such thing as a half-dollar relationship. Westport is now the highest in Cambodia, how can Cambodian locals live? If you do this, can people not cut you?"
But even if we cut another 100 Chinese people, the purpose of local anti-China organizations trying to force the Chinese to leave will not be realized, because there is a huge wealth. In Westport, Chinese investors can get higher returns, and ordinary workers in China can get higher income than domestic ones.

Whether it is casino, gambling or pornography, the Chinese’s actions in Westport did not violate Cambodia’s laws. The Cambodian government has designated Westport as a special economic zone. The Chinese investment is in line with Cambodia's national interests. The corrupt Cambodian government has benefited from it. Even if it destroys the environment and the market, the consequences will only be the local people who eat the people.
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▲Sihanoukville appearance
West and West Twin Cities
After the storm, everything in Westport continues, and the Chinese will not easily withdraw from the game. Casinos, brothels, Shaxian, fraud, etc. are also growing. Some people refer to what happened here as "Western Gang chaos", and some people publicly accuse the Chinese of doing what they do, but I always feel that there is no right or wrong in this world, no right and wrong, and some are only their respective positions. .
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So for the Chinese and the Cambodians, the Sihanouk version of the preface to The Tale of Two Cities may be like this:
This is the best time – Chinese gold digger relies on the gaming industry to dream in Sihanoukville; this is the worst era – the Cambodians have forever lost the beautiful and simple Westport.
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